I think EJ posted it as DW Frost > 2H Unholy = DW Unholy > 2H Frost?
I would check, but I'm lazy.
Without EJ, I would assume Cathal's statement is pretty accurate. Dual wield UH might be higher than 2h UH though. Crazy unholy, never know what to expect. We'll be using obliterate soon if they nerf DW >.<
Unless it's changed in the last couple of days, EJ stated DW Unholy > 2H Unholy = DW Frost > 2h Frost.
DW Unholy is 5% greater than 2H unholy, 2H unholy and DW frost are withing 1% of each other and 2H frost is 10% behind DW frost.
Unless it's changed in the last couple of days, EJ stated DW Unholy > 2H Unholy = DW Frost > 2h Frost.
DW Unholy is 5% greater than 2H unholy, 2H unholy and DW frost are withing 1% of each other and 2H frost is 10% behind DW frost.
This is inaccurate.
For the EJ post, i checked it up and here it is:
[Normal Raids]
Assuming an average iLvl of 359 (normal t11), the order goes something like: 2H Unholy > DW Frost = DW Unholy > 2H Frost, with 2H Unholy being ~1.5% ahead, DW Frost and DW Unholy being within 0.5% of one another, and 2H Frost being ~10% behind the middle. For reference's sake, the approximate dps at this gear level is 19k-20k.
[Hardmode Raids]
Assuming an average iLvl of 372 (hardmode t11), the order goes something like: DW Unholy > DW Frost = 2H Unholy > 2H Frost, with DW Unholy being ~2% ahead, DW Frost and 2H Unholy being within 0.5% of one another, and 2H Frost being ~10% behind the middle. For reference's sake, the approximate dps at this gear level is 21k-23k.
2h Unholy should be pulling better numbers with the priority "rotations"
Once you have heroic gear, DW Unholy pulls ahead slightly, but 2h Unholy and DW frost are basically the same, frost gets ahead by a bit.
2h frost... well you suck, and it's time to switch out of leveling spec.
^Dumbed down version
DW frost > all imo.
what the last 2 posters said. only DW frost scales for all gear lvls, 2h unholy starts best, dw unholy ends best but in between dw frost is only slightly behind both and stays competitive/at the top from bad gear to max gear, im sticking with dw frost as im beating warlocks at 85 with it (dunno who's top heroic dps right now but only locks have come close to me at this time).
I agree with the dual frost arguments as well.... plus dps aside dont have to micromanage that stupid pet in and out of aoes and crap which makes it even better.... I will gladly give up ~2% for not having to deal with the pet...plus if the pet dies what does that do to unholy's dps? cooldowns to resummon, lost any buffs, if it dies again maybe another cooldown and such
okay let me tell u all right now what the castly superior dps spec as a DK is...
its unholy...
why? the ghoul is simply overpowered in abom from
lesson! how to keep your ghoul in abom form for the majority of the time:
take the minor glyph, Deaths embrace i beleive its called, where u are refunded 20RP everytime u cast deathcoil to heal. b4 a boss pull, make sure u farmed up RP to heal your pet to 5stacks and be rdy to transform
during the fight, throw heals at your ghoul to build stacks
the ghouls damage is more important than offensivly throwing deathcoils constantly, given u should still be launching deathcoils offensivly like a madman, use it intelligently when u need that pet
Maybe, but having to depend on a pet to top charts is stupid imo, because without that pet you're pretty much useless.
With DW frost, you don't need a ghoul to help you out since you're the one whose putting out that omgwtfsrzbsnz damage.
dont let it die, with huddle and deathcoils its not that hard.
also if it does die u can immediatly summon it back(unless its died twice)
But with managing a ghoul, and making sure it doesn't die, takes away time that you could be using to curb-stomp mobs.
In my opinion, I'd much rather give all my focus to the NPC instead of having to check on my ghoul to see if it needs heals or if it's died.
But that's just me.
well thats your opinion but it doesnt change the fact that if used properly UH>frost by alot
atleast with the current gear were wearing, it may scale differently in the future. but right now no spec compares to UH
Agree to disagree my friend.
it is my assumption that dw unholy will be nerfed some time in the near future given the history of unholy +dw it's just a matter of time. If u look at the primary dw classes warrior rogue shaman and dks most of them have a talent or ability that allows them to hit with both weapons. Raging Blow Stormstrike Mutilate and Threat of thassarian . Tot is not able to be supported by dw unholy. Like i said given the history of dw unholy you all rember woltk naxx era, it would appear that its not in the design philosophy for unholy. I my self am stick with dw frost Ive always been frost 2h in naxx dw after uld and i like it's playstyle . I don't like to micro manage every little thing to do my dps i do enough of that on my shaman.
#showtooltip death coil
/cast [mod:alt,@pet][mod:shift,@player][] death coil
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